Insight Trails

God in the Cubicle: Amos and Economic Justice

“YOU HAVE A CHOICE!” THE DECLARATION, from a woman in Detroit trying to stop a foreclosure, captured in Michael Moore’s recent film, Capitalism: A Love Story, has been echoing through my week.

    As have two stories in the morning paper. One, headlined “In a Job Market Realignment, Some Workers No Longer Fit,” unspools the unsettling truth that many of the jobs lost in the recession resulting from the 2007-8 financial collapse “are not coming back.”  “I know I’m good at this,” says a 52-year-old administrative assistant who’s been out of work for two years. “So how the hell did I end up here?” The other story, “Prosecutors Ask if 8 Banks Duped Rating Agencies,” peeled back another other layer of the inside machinations of the collapse. Says one discomforted insider who knew something was wrong, “I can’t tell you how upset I have been in reviewing these trades.”

    I don’t profess to have a direct line Upstairs. But I think something deep and spiritual speaks to us through others. In the voices of the people being quoted in films and stories in these hard times, I believe, is a prophetic voice for our times. It’s a voice of anger, frustration, and bewilderment. And it’s a voice carrying moral weight, reflected, for example, in the three priests quoted in Moore’s film, who call the current economy “immoral,” “obscene,” “outrageous,” and “radically evil,” and warn that “in some form and fashion God will come down” and punish capitalism. It is a voice that says to our society, like the woman to the foreclosure officers, that we have choices. 

    A parallel voice can be found in scripture. More than 2,500 years ago, the biblical prophet Amos sounded a similar warning. He denounced the exploitation of the poor that he saw in Israel. “They sell the righteous for a pair of sandals… They trample the head of the poor into the dust of the earth, and push the afflicted out of the way… They lay themselves down beside every altar on garments taken in pledge…and…drink wine bought with fines they imposed.” (Amos 2:6-8)

    Amos criticized the consumer culture of the affluent, with its preening over lying on “beds of ivory,” being anointed with “the finest oils,” and real-estate-pride of “the winter house and summer house” and homes “of hewn stone” (6:4-6, 3:15, 5:11). He challenged the country’s smug patriotism, pointing to the countries surrounding Israel, and asking, “Are you better than those kingdoms?” (6:2). He questioned which gods Israel really worshiped – the god of Israel, or “Sakkuth,” “Kaiwan,” “your images, which you made for your self” (5:26) – and disparaged the false piety of going to church then putting it all aside the other six days of the week. “I hate, I despise your festivals, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies” (5:21). 

    Instead of “burnt offerings and grain offerings” (5:22), said Amos, God desires  justice. “Let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream” (5:24), he says in one of the Old Testament's most famous passages. Following God, he says, means doing good. “Seek good…that you may live…and the Lord…will be with you. Hate evil and love good, and establish justice in the gate” (5:14-15).

    As one modern theologian writes, reading Amos today feels “like a blast of cold, clean air.” And with good reason. Amos was called to prophecy in a time like ours. According to The New Oxford Annotated Bible, Israel was reaching “a height of territorial expansion and national prosperity.” That prosperity “led to gross inequities between urban elites and the poor.” By “manipulation of debt and credit,” the wealthy amassed capital and estates at the expense of small farmers.” Those loans became “a wedge” that separated farmers from “their land and personal liberty.” 

    Amos was the “consummate outsider,” “blue collar rather than blue-blooded,” “a farmer from little Tekoa, about 12 miles southeast of Jerusalem,” says Daniel Clendenin, author, professor, and founder of the website Journey with Jesus. Not surprisingly, given his critique of the culture, the elites of his day "despised Amos as a redneck.” They tried to run him out of town.

    Rereading Amos this week, I’ve been wondering if there should be an “Amos day” – a Sunday in which every house of worship across the country turns over its services and education programs to reflecting on Amos’ message. Doing so might give comfort to those afflicted in this economy; they are not alone. It might prod those who are in positions of responsibility in business, government, the media, and other institutions, to take action – through their decisions, investments, purchases, and other actions – to create a more just economy.  And it could bring a moral, spiritual dimension to a discussion that all too often seems to be dry and remote, about regulations more than spiritual intent. 

    What would Amos say today? Would he growl out his prophecies in a rock band, on YouTube, or in rallies on Wall Street and Washington? Would he proclaim, “They buy sports cars with the fees they’ve taken from CDOs of subprime mortgages”? “Your offer of a new wing of the library won’t make up for the way you earned your money”? “You have built mcmansions but you shall not live in them”? Would he, too, say “You have a choice”?

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There’s a lot of good writing on Amos’ relevance for modern times on the Web. Daniel Clendenin’s essay on Amos, “Growing Strong By Destroying Others: To the ‘Notable Men of the Foremost Nation,’” though written in 2007, before the crash, is particularly good:

http://www.journeywithjesus.net/Essays/20070716JJ.shtml

Clendenin’s website is also worth checking out for book and movie reviews and perspectives on other topics:

http://www.journeywithjesus.net/index.shtml

To read The New York Times story “In a Job Market Realignment, Some Workers No Longer Fit,” see: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/business/economy/13obsolete.html?scp=1&sq=job%20market%20realignment&st=cse

To read The New York Times story “Prosecutors Ask if 8 Banks Duped Rating Agencies,” see: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/business/13street.html?scp=1&sq=ratings%20agencies%20duped&st=cse

 

The Quaker Taxi Service

By Jon Berry

SOME YEARS AGO, FRIENDS IN MY QUAKER MEETING WITH GENEROUS hearts and flexible schedules started an informal taxi service to give people rides to the airport. They didn’t ask to be paid for their efforts; instead, they asked riders to send a check to a Quaker non-profit group such as the Powell House retreat center or the Friends Committee on National Legislation. Most people need a ride to the airport at some time or another, they reasoned. Why not give the  $50-$100 to a good cause instead of a car service - and, as an added benefit, go to the airport with a friend?

With the recession, people in our meeting are talking about expanding the “Quaker taxi” idea to include yard work, gardening, spring-cleaning, cooking soups, baking cakes, sewing, whatever people feel led to offer. In the next few weeks, we hope to ask people in the meeting community if there are services they would be willing to donate (e.g. “Jon B., available on Saturdays to do gardening, including digging, planting, weeding, raking”). We’ll then collect and post the information in places where everyone can easily find it like the meetinghouse (pictured), and place their order. With donations down because of the economy, non-profit groups can really use the money. 

We're not alone. Community groups, churches, NGOs, businesses, and other entities  around the world are engaged in responding creatively to this economy. Search “responding creatively to recession” on Google, and you get 20,000-plus mentions about public service projects, theaters, businesses, community groups, churches, investors, and more.  A Methodist church in my community just completed a series of workshops to help people learn new skills, from budgeting, to doing job searches online, to retirement planning.

Drawing inspiration from the Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30), my father's Quaker church in Indiana gave its members $10 in coins and challenged them to tap their talents to turn that initial investment into something more to support the church's ministries. Some cooked. Some did home projects. We had terrific pecan pie and dinner rolls at the holidays baked by one member of the church. One person rented a carpet cleaner, organized a work crew, and cleaned rugs. 

This weekend, I'm joining a group of activists in Brooklyn for "Soup and Strategy" to talk about creating new, community-based responses to the economy.

All this collective energy is likely going to be the next chapter in the unfolding story of the recession. Learning how people responded to hard times in the past (which I blogged about last week) – how they were opened to new worlds, connected to higher truths, and took on big issues – is really only the first step. We need to take the next step of asking how we will respond. What should we do with what we’ve been given? How can we get out of ourselves and into the world? Can we turn anxiety into action? “Let your lives speak,” as an old Quaker saying advises.

Right now, it seems, the main message in the media coverage is that people feel worried and alone. “Recession Anxiety Seeps into Everyday Life,” a recent example from The New York Times, reported that even people who have not lost their jobs, homes or savings are beset with fears of “losing everything.” Therapists are reporting a “huge effect” in their patients. Polls show 80% of Americans feel significant stress over the economy, and 27% losing sleep over money. One person interviewed for the story said she became obsessed with reading everything she could get hold of about the economy and became “so sick to my stomach” she “lost 12 pounds” and “was unable to function.”

The Times’ story goes onto state an oft-repeated idea that the Depression generation was somehow different than people today. One woman says she’s ashamed of how she’s reacting; her parents’ generation, she says, held to a belief that “you pull yourself up.”

I don’t think that's quite right. Reading histories of the Depression, I’ve been struck by how similar Americans then seemed. Like us, they had come through a period of incredible economic growth, with innovative new consumer products (automobiles, the radio, home appliances), and belief that there would be no turning back (“a chicken in every pot, two cars in every garage,” in the words of Herbert Hoover’s 1928 campaign promise). The years of prosperity in the Roaring 20s and assurances from business and government leaders that “such conditions had become permanent” created a “widespread confidence that bordered on complacency,” writes historian David Kyvig.

Then it all unraveled. It wasn’t just the great 1929 stock market crash. There was also a real estate crash (like today). And a credit crunch (like today). “Nobody trusted banks or brokerage houses anymore,” writes historian Hugh Brogan. The auto and home industries, which had come to depend on consumers buying on credit, went into tailspins. Auto sales would not again reach their 1929 level until the late 1940s. There was “an epidemic” of mortgage defaults.

Colossal financial scandals rivaling what Bernie Madoff's wiped out waves of investors (again, like now). A get-rich-now mindset was prevalent. Government regulation was lax. “Self-styled experts in the financial press” who themselves “were often self-deceived” egged everyone on, writes Brogan (hello, CNBC?).

When Franklin Roosevelt on gaining the presidency in 1933 proclaimed, “We have nothing to fear but fear itself,” he was speaking to real concerns. People were fearful. The economy kept getting worse. Unemployment, which was just 4% in 1928, hit 23% in 1932. Four in 10 homes were in foreclosure. The Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted to a paltry 41 in 1932, a drop of 89% from 1929 (the crevasse-like descent in chart at right). Men abandoned their families and hit the road to look for work. Divorces rose. While some people found common cause, like the heroes of Studs Terkel's Hard Times that I blogged about last week, many people isolated. The sociologists Robert and Helen Lynd, in a follow-up to their landmark study Middletown, found that church attendance had fallen in Muncie, Indiana. Entertaining at home also declined. People didn’t feel they had enough to share beyond their family.

There’s good reason to think things won’t get as bad today. The government has intervened much earlier. And, where people in the Great Depression had to turn to private charity – whose resources were quickly overwhelmed – there is something of a government safety net today.

Which brings us back to response.

America responded late to the Depression – it took more than three years for significant action. But, when the nation responded, it responded with big ideas. Many things we take for granted today have their roots in the Great Depression. My grandfather’s farm in Indiana got electricity in the 1930s because of the Rural Electrification Administration; my Dad still remembers the joy of being a kid and opening and shutting the refrigerator door and turning the lights on and off.

If you’ve just enjoyed a weekend, or are looking forward to one, thank the Fair Labor Standards Act. The act standardized the minimum wage, overtime pay for more than 40 hours per week, and the two-day weekend. Many of FDR’s big ideas, like Social Security, started outside government with calls from ordinary citizens.

So think big. This may be the time for health care for all Americans. Or think small – is there a way to redirect purchases we’re making anyway to support a good cause? But history suggests that this is a time to turn thoughts into action.

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David Kyvig’s book Daily Life in the United States, 1920-1940, is a good introduction to how ordinary Americans were affected by the boom and bust of the Roaring 1920s and the Great Depression. To learn more, or to buy a copy:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566635845/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

I think every household should have a couple concise, well-written overviews of American and world history. I like the Penguin series, and in particular Hugh Brogan’s The Penguin History of the

USA

:

http://www.amazon.com/Penguin-History-USA-New/dp/014025255X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240341920&sr=8-1

While we're on the subject, I’m also  huge fan of Timothy Egan’s book The Worst Hard Times, which chronicles the lives of Midwesterners who lived through the dust bowl, the Great Depression’s worst ecological disaster:

http://www.amazon.com/Worst-Hard-Time-Survived-American/dp/0618773479/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240342807&sr=1-1

Lessons from Hard Times

By Jon Berry

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I'VE FOUND IT HARD TO NOT be distracted by this recession. As the housing and stock markets have crashed and unemployment has gone up, I've thrown myself more into my paid job. I've worked longer hours, spent more time traveling, and devoted more of my non-working hours to thinking about work. I've put more hours into money as well, paying down our credit-card debt, staying on top of bills, and thinking about our finances.

But it’s increasingly dawning on me that this effort has not made me happier. It’s made me put off things I want to do at this stage of my life. Keeping up this blog, for one. (Yes, the irony of work standing in the way of writing on work and spirituality has not been lost on me – insight trail, indeed!)

Similarly, for the past month, an application for a Masters of Divinity program has been sitting on my bookshelf, while I’ve been wondering if I really should pursue a graduate degree if I haven’t worked out all the details about how to pay for it.

A little prudence is a good thing. But, unchecked, it can be a wall of worry separating us from the life we can live.

Lately I’ve been finding inspiration from Hard Times, Studs Terkel’s book of interviews with survivors of the Great Depression. Where the mainstream media has lately been nibbling at the edges of lessons from past downturns – focusing on the Depression’s consumer lessons (the joy of thrift, darning socks, vegetable gardens, thrift stores, etc.) – Terkel’s subjects chronicle larger, deeper lessons. Here are four:

Hard times open new worlds. In addition to devastation and deprivation, many of the people interviewed by Terkel (photo) look back on the Depression as a time that opened them up to different ways of looking at the world, and changed them for the better. One, Peggy Terry, took off  hitchhiking through the Southwest with her husband – while pregnant. She found that people “were really nice.” People fed them. They offered them places to stay. As they traveled on, she found that people who she’d thought were different from her, in fact, weren’t so different. And she found herself questioning the way things were in this country – wondering, for instance, why Franklin Roosevelt had so many cuff links, “with rubies and precious stones,” when so many went hungry, “the first time I remember ever wondering why.” Decades later, she remained sympathetic to outsiders, even to those burning down buildings in the urban unrest of the 1960s. “You get law and order when people are allowed to be decent human beings.” 

Hard times connect us to higher truths. One of the most amazing stories in Hard Times is Claude Williams, a Southern preacher. Taking as his text “Go into the world and preach the gospel to every nation,” Williams decided it was his calling to welcome everyone to his church, regardless of race or ethnicity. He was promptly fired. He started preaching in black churches and in coal-mining towns; he helped the miners organize and win a strike. He was beaten by deputies (“my real induction”) and defrocked by his mainline, traditional church (prompting him to seek ordination in an African-American church) – and converted hundreds to his causes.  

He took inspiration from a controversial source: the Bible. He saw the Bible as “a workingman’s book.” “The prophets – Moses, Amos, Isaiah, the Son of Man, Old Testament and New – you’ll find they were fighting for justice and freedom,” he tells Terkel. “On the other side, you find the Pharaohs, the Pilates, the Herods, and the people in the summer houses and the winter houses.” He took “the very book” that conservatives were using “and turned the guns the other way, as it were,” arguing that “Good News is only good when it feeds the poor” and that “true religion” works for “the fraternity of all people.” 

Hard times force issues. Seeing the terrible suffering and contradictions of the Great Depression – children suffering from rickets, while companies were pouring milk into gutters – was, for Virginia Durr (photo), seeing “a blinding light, like Saul on the road to Damascus.”  A self-described “conformist, well-off Southern snob,” she was moved to shame and cajole dairy companies to open their dispensaries to the poor. She went on to be a pioneer in abolishing the poll tax. Durr describes the Depression dividing the country into two kinds of people. “The great majority,” she says, came to think money is “the most important thing in the world. Get yours. And get it for your children. Nothing else matters.” Anything to keep “that stark terror” of having nothing from recurring. But, she adds, “there was a small number of people who felt the whole system was lousy” and “you have to change it,” to make it “responsive to people’s needs.”  

Hard times are not insurmountable.  For all those, like myself, who feel a bit stuck in our tracks, the stories in Hard Times, taken together, seem to carry a clear message to go ahead and lead our life. Get on with what's important, get on with living. People figured out how to carry on through all kinds of obstacles in the Depression. Communities literally ran out of money. Goodyear Rubber and Tire paid its workers in scrip; the local merchants, respectful of the company’s place in the community, accepted the scrip as payment. People learned to barter goods and services. While some refused to help others – seeing it as an affront to the country’s individualist ethic – many helped in smaller ways. Jimmy McPartland, a jazz musician, describes the musicians’ ethic of giving money to fellow musicians when they were running low. His peers had little patience with Wall Street big shots who felt they lost everything when they lost their money. “We used to say to each other: Are they nuts? What is money? The important thing is life and living and enjoying life…You’re still livin’, aren’t ya? [You] can start over.”  

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More about Studs Terkel, including tapes of some of his interviews, is available through the Chicago History Museum’s website:

http://www.studsterkel.org/index.html

To buy a copy of Hard Times, click here:

http://www.amazon.com/Hard-Times-History-Great-Depression/dp/1565846567/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239567014&sr=8-1

Q&A: Joe Kelly, Co-Founder and President, Dads & Daughters (DADs)

By Jon Berry, Insight Trails

I FIRST MET JOE KELLY A DECADE AGO, WHEN he came to New York City for the kickoff meeting of New Moon books. With him was a gaggle of 10- to 14-year-old girls who had flown in from across the country to be the editorial board for the books. Not a junior or advisory board but the board, responsible for deciding the content, writing the books, and coaching each other through writer’s block and the other obstacles that writers go through. Joe was there to encourage and support.

    It was a formula that Joe and his wife, Nancy Gruver, had honed to great success with New Moon magazine, the bimonthly publication by, for, and about girls that the couple founded in 1993. The publication, which Nancy continues to run, has won shelves full of awards and been a springboard for a generation of girls to follow their dreams.

    For the past eight years, Joe has advocated for girls on a larger stage, as co-founder and president of Dads and Daughters (DADs), a non-profit group dedicated to advocating for the importance of fathers in daughters’ lives. He has written six books, including Dads and Daughters: How to Inspire, Understand, and Support Your Daughter (Broadway/Random House, 2002) and The Dads and Daughters Togetherness Guide: 54 Fun Activities to Help Build a Great Relationship (Broadway/Random House, 2007).

    He has testified before Congress, been featured in The New York Times, People, and The Today Show, and talked to hundreds of groups, from professional associations to local parents groups, on issues from fathering, to Title IX, eating disorders, and marketing to kids. The Women’s Sports Foundation and iParenting.com have named him “father of the year.”

    I talked with Joe, an easy-to-smile 52 year old, about his career path, the cues he has taken from his wife and twin daughters, and his belief in the power of transformation, which he has experienced personally as a recovering alcoholic with 27 years of sobriety.

Question: If you could go back to when you were 25 years old and offer yourself a piece of advice, what would it be?

Answer: Be in your own life. Look for inspiration in your own life. The things Nancy and I have done that look remarkable to the outside world all sprang out of our own personal lives, loves, and concerns.

Insight: Look to your own life for inspiration. "The things Nancy and I have done that look remarkable to the outside world all sprang out of our own personal lives, loves, and concerns."

Q: Would the Joe Kelly of 25-30 years ago be surprised at where you are today?

A: Very surprised. If someone had said to me in my first year of sobriety, “Sit down and make a list of all the things you dream of doing with your life,” that list would be so pathetic compared to what has actually happened. My imagination, my sense of what’s possible, and my sense of my own capabilities were all so stunted.

Q: What would have been on your list?

A: Hold a steady job. Provide for my family. Be a marginal husband. That would have been about it. If someone had really pushed me and asked, “What is the most wild and outrageous thing you could do?” what probably would have come up is a dream I had when I was nine or ten years old to write a book. I would have had no idea what it would have been about, though.

Q: What happened to shift things in your life?

A: Sobriety, and by sobriety I don’t mean just not drinking, but continuous engagement in growing spiritually, emotionally, psychologically, socially. That and having children, and having female children, and two at once!

    A lot of the shifts in my life, though, can be traced to stupidity (laughs) – being young and naïve and stupid enough to take risks.

Insight: Be open to taking risks. "A lot of the shifts in my life can be traced to...being young and naïve and stupid enough to take risks."

Q: What do you mean?

A: In 1981, we moved from Omaha, Nebraska, to the Twin Cities, so that Nancy and a woman she had been working with could open a contemporary American crafts gallery. It was, on the surface, an incredibly stupid thing to do. We had nine-month-old twins. In four years, the business never paid Nancy a dime. We kept moving from apartment to apartment because we couldn’t afford the rent. I got a job dispatching trucks for Roto Rooter for our steady income.

    About four years later, after the gallery had closed, I decided to enroll in a radio and TV broadcasting program at a for-profit tech school in the Twin Cities. I thought I could get a job doing play-by-play for a Major League Baseball team (another bit of naivete!). I got a job at a hole-in-the-wall breakfast diner, and worked a couple of hours in the morning before school. On the weekend, I delivered newspapers.

    In the course of the program, though, I landed an internship at a radio newsroom. I learned how to call people up, interview them, and write copy, and found I was good at it. While I was still in school, I got hired to be the news director for a radio station in Marshall, a small farming town in southwestern Minnesota. So we packed up and moved again. We didn’t know anybody there. We knew nothing about farming. We’d both grown up in the suburbs. It was 1985. Agriculture was in the midst of a massive catastrophe, and my job was to report on it.

    But I learned on the job. I got to be good at it. It was a big adventure. My stories got picked up. I won awards. I ended up being president of the Minnesota Advisory Board for United Press International.

    Out of that experience, I was hired by Minnesota Public Radio to work in Duluth. Once again, we knew nobody there. We just packed up and went. Nancy got a really good job with a multi-county government agency, starting a pilot program to provide health insurance for the working poor – which she got, in part, because of the job she had found in Marshall being business manager of a hospice.

    In retrospect, we took a lot of stupid leaps not fully realizing how stupid they were. But they worked out. It was the same thing with the magazine. We were too dumb to know it was dumb to do.

Q: How so?

A: We had no experience in magazines. I had experience in journalism, but it was in radio, not print. Serendipitously, the style of writing for radio and the style of writing for children are very similar. Writing for radio is all in active voice. It’s all short sentences, one thought per sentence. And that’s how you write for children. I didn’t know this at the time, but it worked out perfectly.

Insight: Be open to serendipity. "The style of writing for radio and the style of writing for children are very similar. I didn’t know this at the time, but it worked out perfectly."

    The idea for the magazine occurred to Nancy literally out of the blue. We had been working in our jobs for about five years, and were getting bored. I started working part-time to spend more time with our kids. Nancy applied for a fellowship to the Kennedy School in Boston to learn more about public health policy. She was a finalist. But she didn’t get it, and she was crushed.

    It became a crisis moment for her: “What do I really want to do?” She knew she’d be passionate about working on girls’ or women’s issues, but had no idea what or how to get there. So the two of us went off for a weekend to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan to figure out what we were going to do with our lives. Of course, when we got there, we never talked about it. We read books the whole weekend.

    Finally, on the way home, driving through the Upper Peninsula – this beautiful, desolate landscape – Nancy turned to me and said, “How about a Junior Ms.?” I said, “What?” And she said, “How about a magazine for girls that girls would run?” She says now that the idea just snapped into her head, fully formed. She knew she was going to do it. It was going to happen.

    When we got home, we sat down and talked with the girls, who were 11 at the time (they are now in their late 20s). Their response was, “You’re crazy. You don’t know anything about magazines.” And Nancy said, “Well, OK. We know that. But let’s say we could figure out that part. Would you be interested?” And we all stayed up until 1 o’clock in the morning talking about what it would look like.

    Literally nine months later, the first issue came out.

Q: This was Nancy’s idea. Why did you get involved?

A: We had talked for some time about wanting to work together. We thought it would be fun to do. Nancy had done a lot of interesting work. She’d owned her own business, and, through the agency work, had made an impact in our community. She’s creative. I’m good at envisioning the next step, and how to get there. And I had experience in journalism. We were both concerned about the girls, and sexism, and the world the girls were growing up in. We didn’t know what the idea was going to become. We just thought it was a good idea, and the girls and their friends and the mothers of their friends thought it was a good idea.

    As I look back on my work life, in nearly all of the cases, the jobs I’ve taken and careers I’ve had have been presented to me. They came along and I was ready. I’ve sometimes longed to be the kind of person who plans ahead and plots things out, and decides with certainty that this is the work they want to do for the rest of their life. But that’s not how my life has worked. Experience has shown me that good things will come along in life, and I have faith they will.

Insight: Have faith. "Experience has shown me that good things will come along in life."

Q: When did you start pulling back from your jobs?

A: I quit my job first, before the first issue came out. I had written a press release on New Moon and sent it out to a bunch of newspapers. A reporter from the Duluth newspaper followed up and did a feature story on the magazine and its process. The story got picked up by Knight-Ridder’s news service and ran in newspapers across the country. Our phone started ringing off the hook. We had hundreds of people subscribing before we’d even printed the first issue.

    So I left my job and started answering the phone and entering subscriptions. Nancy kept working awhile longer because she was making more money. We refinanced our house and took out $10,000. Things mostly fell into place.

Q: Was there an a-ha moment, when you realized “we can do this”?

A: Not exactly. We did things instinctively. We were presumptuous. We had faith. Looking back, a lot of things converged to help us. And not just the successes. Nancy starting the craft gallery, and having it fail, was an important learning experience. It gave her concrete experience in how to manage a business. It also taught her the most important lesson for entrepreneurs: you have to be able to pay yourself. You can have a great idea, but it’s not good enough if it can’t support you.

    The way we ran the magazine, with the adults creating a space for the kids to exercise their own powers, was something we learned from unschooling our children. That also was risky – in unschooling, kids set their own path – but it worked.

Q: Was there fear?

A: Mostly fear about money. We still are fearful about scarcity. We have always been frugal. Since the first loan, New Moon has never taken out a loan. It's cash-flowed everything it’s done. We didn’t want to be beholden to anyone.

Q: What was it like to work with your wife?

A: It was a lot of fun. But it could also be a source of tension. We had to work really hard at separating our work life and our home life. That meant not investing a work disagreement with the baggage of our home life. We had to learn that, when we disagree about a color to use in the magazine, there’s a fairly decent possibility we’re just disagreeing about the color. It’s not just one more example that Nancy thinks I’m a blithering idiot. She may really think green is better.

    It still happens when we work together, but I think we’re better at surfacing the tension more quickly. One of us will recognize right away, “This is about something else,” and pierce it, or back off, until we can sit down and talk about what’s really bothering us.

Q: How have you applied the lessons you’ve learned in your current job with Dads & Daughters?

A: A lot of what underlies my work is questioning the way things are. It’s the journalistic instinct. I think it’s especially true for people who have gone through life-or-death transformations like getting sober. You realize it’s possible for things to be radically changed.

Insight: Change is possible. "[When you've been] through a life-or-death transformation, you realize it's possible for things to be radically changed."

Q: DADs has gotten attention for challenging companies’ marketing messages.

A: There are a lot of ads out there that celebrate qualities you don’t want to see in kids. What we’ve tried to do is track down the head of the companies – many of whom are men and fathers – and ask them to re-imagine the ads’ messages as something they would say to their daughters. It’s making the personal political.

    If you put it in this context, an ad that says, “4 out of 5 girls you hate ask for it by name. Stop hating them. Starting being them” – a real ad, by the way, for a hair product – is absurd. You wouldn’t teach your daughter to hate other people, or to become like the people they hate.

    In that case, the company’s first response, from the marketing director, was to ignore us. But then we got a personal letter from the CEO. He said he’d been on vacation with his children when our letter arrived. He went on to say that when he got back, he called together his team and told them pull the ads and “never to do anything like that again.”

    A lot of times, when we send letters to companies, we get no response. But almost all the time, when we can engage companies in conversation, they do what we ask.

Insight: Connect. "What I enjoy most is helping people understand how important the father-daughter relationship is, and inspiring them to do something about it."

Q: You also focus energy on education.

A: In a sense, my role is to be the “spokesdad.” The core of that is working to raise the profile of father-daughter relationships, to inspire fathers and stepfathers to get more involved in their daughters’ lives, and to give them tools to be better fathers. Fathers and stepfathers have an incredible influence in their daughters’ lives. Too many don’t realize it, and the culture doesn’t acknowledge it.

    What I enjoy most is helping people understand how important the father-daughter relationship is, and inspiring them to do something about it. Sometimes that just means creating a space for dads to think and talk. When I go out to a school and speak about fathering to a room of 200 fathers, the thing that happens that makes a real difference is when those 200 guys sitting in the room look around and say, “There’s 199 other guys here who feel this is important. I’m not alone.” It’s an inspiring experience. It certainly inspires me.

That's "It"

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Resources for going further:

For more on Dads & Daughters, including tips for fathering daughters and ways to get involved, see www.dadsanddaughters.org .

To learn more about Joe's new book The Dads and Daughters Togetherness Guide: 54 Fun Activities to Help Build a Great Relationship, and buy a copy, go to www.amazon.com .

To learn more about his book Dads and Daughters: How to Inspire, Understand, and Support Your Daughter When She's Growing Up So Fast, go to www.amazon.com .

For more about New Moon magazine, or start a subscription, go to www.newmoon.org .

For more on unschooling, see The Teenage Liberation Handbook, by Grace Llewellyn, at www.amazon.com , or John C. Holt’s web site, or visit the web site www.unschooling.com .